Last updated: September 14, 2026
Derived Houses
Free Derivative Houses Calculator
Pick a base house and a topic, then see the derived house in your own chart with the sign on the cusp and the planet that rules it. Turn the chart for spouse, sibling, parent, grandparent, and other relational topics.
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This tool turns a chart by counting from one house to another, then returns the derived house, sign, ruler, and dignity context. The math is deterministic once the base house and topic house are selected.
Two conventions are fixed here and worth knowing before you read your result. Houses are whole sign, so each house is one whole zodiac sign counted from your rising sign. Rulers are the seven traditional rulers, so Pisces returns Jupiter, Aquarius returns Saturn, and Scorpio returns Mars. If your practice uses Placidus cusps or the modern outer-planet rulers, translate accordingly.
Derivative houses are best treated as a symbolic topic-assignment method. They do not prove facts about another person's career, children, family, health, finances, choices, or future events. The more hops a derivation takes, the more tentative the reading should become.
What are derivative houses?
A derivative house is the house in your natal chart that represents a derived topic (your spouse's career, your sibling's children, your mother's father) instead of a primary one. You pick a base house, treat it as the alternate first house, count counterclockwise to the topical position you want, and the house you land on is the derived house in your own chart. The technique appears in early Hellenistic sources and shows up most heavily in horary practice, with natal applications growing more popular in the last few decades.
Some practitioners also call this "turning the chart" or "turning the wheel." The math is the same either way: any house can be promoted to a temporary first, and the rest of the chart re-reads from that new starting point.
How to turn the chart
Turning the chart means treating any house in your natal chart as a temporary first house, then reading the other eleven from that new starting point. Whatever house you land on at the position you want is the derived house for your topic. The five-step process:
- Pick the base house. The house that rules the person or topic you are starting from. Spouse is the seventh. Sibling is the third. Mother is the tenth in older Western practice and the fourth in some modern variants.
- Treat that house as the new first. Imagine the chart turned so your base house sits at the ascendant.
- Count counterclockwise to the topical house. Career is ten houses around. Children, five. Health, six.
- Read the house you land on. That is your derived house, the one in your own chart that carries the texture of the derived topic.
- Look at the sign on its cusp and the planet that rules that sign. The ruler's natal placement gives you the interpretive depth.
If you would rather skip the counting, the math is plain: add the base house and the topical house, subtract two, take the result modulo twelve, and add one. In code form: derived = ((base + topic - 2) mod 12) + 1. The seventh from the seventh comes out to the first, your partner's partner, which is you.
Common derivations
These are the questions people actually bring to the technique. Every subsection has its own link, so you can send someone straight to the derivation you mean.
Spouse's career: your 4th house
Your spouse's career sits at the tenth from the seventh, which lands on your fourth in your own chart. The fourth is also your home and roots, which makes the reading rich: when your partner's vocation runs hot, it shows up in the foundation of where you live. Read the sign on your fourth-house cusp and its ruler. A Capricorn fourth ruled by Saturn often pairs with partners whose career is structured and slow-building, often tied to status. A Pisces fourth ruled by Jupiter leans toward partners in caregiving, teaching, and art, or work that does not fit a clean job title.
Spouse's children: your 11th house
Your spouse's children, including yours together when you have them, count five houses from the seventh and land on your eleventh. The eleventh's wider meaning of friend networks, hopes, and chosen family fits the reading: a partner's child enters your life through a relationship with someone else first. The ruler of your eleventh cusp carries the reading, and its own condition sets the tone. An eleventh ruler in its fall, or one tucked into your twelfth, tends to describe a step-parenting arrangement that stays quietly complicated. A well-placed eleventh ruler in aspect to your seventh ruler usually describes the easier version.
Sibling's spouse: your 9th house
Your sibling's partner is the seventh from the third, your ninth house. Traditional Western sources also give the ninth to a spouse's kindred, and derivation agrees with them: your spouse's siblings are the third from the seventh, which is the ninth as well. Two different in-law routes converge on the same house. Other in-laws land elsewhere, so do not generalize the ninth into a blanket in-law house: your child's spouse is the eleventh (the seventh from the fifth), and a parent's later spouse is the tenth (the seventh from the fourth). The sign on the ninth-house cusp, plus its ruler, invites a symbolic reading around different worldviews, distance, study, travel, or how these particular in-law relationships enter the chart story.
Mother's father: your 1st house
Your maternal grandfather is the father's house counted from the mother's house, and both schools land on the same answer. In Hellenistic practice, where the mother is the tenth and the father the fourth, that is the fourth from the tenth, which comes out to your first. Under the modern convention that swaps them, mother at the fourth and father at the tenth, it is the tenth from the fourth, which also comes out to your first. Both ends of the derivation flip together, so every grandparent position is stable across the two schools. Read your maternal grandfather as a kind of ancestral root, sitting at the same place in the wheel as your own body and identity.
Mixing the schools here produces a different answer, so it is worth checking your own work. Take the mother from one school and the father from the other, say mother at the fourth and father also at the fourth, and you land on the seventh instead. That seventh is an artifact of the mix. Under either school applied consistently, the fourth from the fourth is a grandparent of the same gender as the parent: your father's father in Hellenistic practice, your mother's mother in the modern one.
Father's career: depends on tradition
Father's career depends on which house you give to the father. In Hellenistic practice that places the father at the fourth, his career (the tenth from the fourth) lands on your first house. Read it as: how you carry yourself in the world echoes how you watched him work. In modern conventions that place the father at the tenth, his career (the tenth from the tenth) lands on your seventh. Either reading works as long as you stay consistent within a single chart.
Notice why this one moves when the grandparent positions do not. Career is the tenth in both schools, so only one end of the derivation flips and the answer travels with it. A grandparent puts a parental house at both ends, both flip at once, and the two changes cancel.
Seventh from the seventh: your 1st house
The seventh from the seventh is your first. Your partner's partner is, of course, you. The practical use of that is the reversal: you are the partner in someone else's chart, and the way you appear in their seventh is your own first house. Read it as a relational mirror. The sign on your ascendant and the condition of your first-house ruler describe how partnership with you feels from the other side of the table, which is a harder and more useful question than how you would describe yourself.
Third from the third: your 5th house
The third from the third is your fifth. Read this as your sibling's siblings: in a single-sibling family that points back at you, but in larger families it covers your other siblings or, by common extension, cousins on the same generation. The fifth house carries play and creative output, plus children of your own, which is why this derivation often lights up around shared childhood and the projects siblings build together. Treat the reading as suggestive when you have a single sibling, since the chain wraps back on itself.
Ninth from the ninth: your 5th house
Ninth from the ninth lands on your fifth. The reading is more abstract: your beliefs about your beliefs, the philosophy that turns an inherited worldview into something you express in your own voice. The fifth carries play, performance, and creative output, which is where that second-order conviction tends to become visible. Use this derivation when a chart shows tension between an inherited worldview (the ninth proper) and the personal philosophy that shows up through making things (the fifth).
Fifth from the fifth: your 9th house
The fifth from the fifth is the ninth, your grandchildren. The connection makes intuitive sense: grandchildren expand your line outward into a wider future, and the ninth carries long views, foreign places, and the philosophical horizon of your life. The sign on your ninth-house cusp and its ruler, especially their condition, can be read as a broad symbolic layer around descendants, inheritance, distance, belief, and how a family line extends beyond direct teaching.
Eleventh from the third: your 1st house
Eleventh from the third lands back on your first. The reading is your sibling's friends, hopes, and broader social circle, which loops to you because their wider community is one you grew up adjacent to. Some practitioners stretch this to cover step-siblings via the eleventh's "extended chosen family" reading, but that is contested; for step-siblings via remarriage you are often better off chaining through the parent and the new partner instead.
The full turning matrix
The matrix below shows every base-house and topical-house pairing. Pick the row for your base house (the topic you are starting from), find the column for the topical house (the matter you want to know about that topic), and read the cell value. That is the house in your own chart where the derived topic lives.
| Base ↓ / Topic → | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 |
| 2 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 1 |
| 3 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 1 | 2 |
| 4 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 1 | 2 | 3 |
| 5 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 |
| 6 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 |
| 7 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 |
| 8 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 |
| 9 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 |
| 10 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 |
| 11 | 11 | 12 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 |
| 12 | 12 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 |
The diagonal, where the base and the topic are the same house, has a pattern you can check against the table above. It runs 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11 and then repeats. Every self-derivation lands on an odd house, and a house and its opposite always give the same answer: the seventh from the seventh and the first from the first both come back to your first, and the fifth from the fifth and the eleventh from the eleventh both land on your ninth. That falls out of the arithmetic: when the base and the topic match, the formula reduces to an even number plus one, which is always odd.
Derivative houses in horary vs natal astrology
Horary leans on derivation harder than natal does, and there is a reason. A horary chart is cast for a single question and a single querent, which means the third party in the question (the lost dog, the sibling's spouse, the absent parent, the missing object) needs a clean, repeatable assignment in the chart. Derivation gives you that assignment without ambiguity, because horary asks one question at a time and the chain almost never goes more than two hops deep.
In natal practice, derivation works best when the people in your life are clearly singular: one mother, one sibling, one current partner. As soon as you are trying to derive a chart-house for "my second sibling's third partner," you are stacking enough assumptions that the reading stops being predictive and turns into description after the fact. Many working astrologers treat one-hop derivations (spouse's career, sibling's spouse) as the most usable, two-hop derivations as suggestive in clean cases, and three-hop as essentially decorative.
Two traditions, two parents
Western astrology has been arguing about the parental houses for a long time, and the disagreement is not going to resolve. Hellenistic and a substantial branch of modern practice put the father at the fourth and the mother at the tenth. A different modern convention, popularized in the twentieth century, flips them: mother at the fourth, father at the tenth, often with the rationale that the fourth is the inner home and the tenth is the public-facing parent.
The calculator above defaults to the older convention and lets you switch. Pick whichever your school of practice already uses for mother, then apply it consistently across every parental derivation in this chart. The grandparent positions, the aunts and uncles, the parental careers and finances, all of them flow from the parent assignment. Mixing the two conventions inside one reading turns the math into nonsense.
Reading the ruler of a derived house
Once you have the derived house, the next move is the natal ruler. Look at the sign on that house's cusp, then look up which planet rules that sign in your chart, then check that planet's natal position, dignity, and aspects. The derived house tells you which area of life carries the topic; the ruler tells you how it is actually expressing.
For a quick view of every house's ruler at once, pair this calculator with the Lord of the Houses Calculator. It surfaces all twelve rulers and their conditions in a single view, which you can then turn into derived readings without manually chasing each cusp.
When derivative houses break down
The technique has real limits. Three of them come up often enough that it is worth knowing where the reading stops carrying weight.
Multiple siblings is the common one. The third house covers siblings as a group, so it describes the first or most prominent one cleanly and gets vaguer from there. The usual fix is to chain by thirds, treating each successive sibling as the sibling of the last: the first is your third, the second is the third from the third (your fifth), the third is your seventh. Multiple spouses chain the same way, which is where the familiar seventh, ninth, eleventh sequence comes from. Both chains are conventions rather than settled doctrine, and sources disagree about whether to order siblings by age or by birth order relative to you. Past the first link, treat the result as a working assumption.
Adoptive vs biological is another snag. Some practitioners use the natural-parent house for biological lineage and the step-parent or adopting-parent house for the actual day-to-day raiser; others give priority to whoever raised you regardless of biology. Both are defensible, and both produce different readings. Pick a rule and apply it consistently.
Three-hop chains (your sibling's spouse's career, your child's friend's parent) work mathematically but tend toward decoration in practice. The signal is real on the first hop, suggestive on the second, and barely audible on the third. Use them as confirmation for something the chart already showed you elsewhere, rather than as a primary read.
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Frequently Asked Questions
What are derivative houses in astrology?
Derivative houses are houses in your natal chart that represent derived topics, like your spouse's career or your sibling's children, rather than primary ones. You treat a base house as the alternate first house, count counterclockwise to the topical position you want, and the house you land on is the derived house in your own chart.
How do you calculate the derivative house?
Pick the base house that rules the topic you are starting from (spouse is seventh, sibling third, mother tenth in traditional practice). Treat that as a new first house, count counterclockwise to the topical house you want, and the house you land on is the derived house. The formula is ((base + topic minus 2) mod 12) + 1.
What is the seventh from the seventh house?
The seventh from the seventh is the first house. It represents your partner's partner, which is you. Practitioners read it as a mirror: the sign on your ascendant and your first-house ruler describe how you appear in someone else's seventh, the texture they actually marry rather than your own self-description.
What is the third from the third house?
The third from the third is the fifth house. It represents your sibling's siblings, often your other siblings or, by extension, your cousins. The fifth's playful, creative register fits the reading well, particularly for shared childhood projects and the dynamic between cousins of the same generation.
Which house is my spouse's career?
Your spouse's career is the fourth house in your own chart. The math: the seventh house represents your spouse, and the tenth from the seventh, your spouse's career, lands on your fourth. The fourth is also your home and family base, so astrologers may read a partner's vocation through its effect on home and roots.
Which house represents my mother's father?
Your first house, under either convention. In traditional Western practice the mother is the tenth and the father the fourth, so her father is the fourth from the tenth, which comes out to your first. In the modern variant the mother is the fourth and the father the tenth, so her father is the tenth from the fourth, which also comes out to your first. Both parental houses swap together, so grandparent positions hold steady across the two schools. You only land somewhere else by taking the mother from one school and the father from the other, and that answer is an artifact of the mix.
Why does the calculator list the 4th and 10th houses twice?
Because each of them carries two readings that a derivation has to keep apart. The 4th is your home and roots, and it is also a parent. The 10th is your career and public standing, and it is also the other parent. Asking for your spouse's career and asking for your spouse's mother are different questions that both start from the 10th, so the selects offer both and the result labels whichever you picked.
Which house system and rulers does this calculator use?
Whole sign houses and the seven traditional rulers. Each house is one whole zodiac sign counted from your rising sign, so the sign on a derived house cusp is unambiguous. Rulers follow the traditional scheme, which means Pisces returns Jupiter, Aquarius returns Saturn, and Scorpio returns Mars. If your practice uses Placidus cusps or the modern outer-planet rulers, translate the result accordingly.
What is the difference between derivative houses and derived houses?
There is no difference. Both terms describe the same technique. "Derived houses" is the older usage, and "derivative houses" is more common in modern English-language astrology. Some practitioners also call it "turning the chart" or "turning the wheel."
Are derivative houses used in natal astrology or only horary?
Both, though horary leans on the technique more heavily. Horary asks one focused question and uses derivation to assign houses to third parties cleanly. Natal practice uses derivation more sparingly, since real lives have multiple siblings and partners that complicate the chain past the first hop.
Why do astrologers disagree about which house is the mother?
The disagreement is genuine and old. Hellenistic and many traditional modern practitioners put the father at the fourth and the mother at the tenth. A different twentieth-century convention swaps them, on the reasoning that the fourth is the inner home and the tenth is public-facing. Both are defensible; pick one and stay consistent within a single chart.
How far can you derive houses before the meaning becomes unreliable?
Single-hop derivations (spouse's career, sibling's spouse) are the most usable when the family situation is clear. Two hops are suggestive but workable when there is no ambiguity about who you mean. Three hops mathematically work but rarely produce useful readings; treat them as decoration or confirmation, not primary signal.
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